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I’ve a couple of B2 hatchback passats the odd remark GT, along with 2,2 Did volkswagen build B2 with engines originally or are these modified? Norwegian salesthread 14:02, 7 February 2007

They are original cars. The B2 three engines with 5 2.0L 115 hp (85 kW), 2.2L 136 hp kW) and 2.2L with catalytic 115 hp (85 kW). 09:34, 30 April (UTC)

British B2 Passats available with the 1.9L 5 (85 kW) it was current (talk ) 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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I’m confused. Did VW in Europe a car named the Passat in the 70s and 80s? In the US, the doesn’t appear until the 90s. The VW Quantum and VW Fox pre-date The Passat models are usually with a letter and number, B3 are circa ’90 to ’93 ones without the front B4 Passats to ’97, with the B5 Passats introduced in ’98 to distinguish from the Audi A4. the technical specs. what and model is that for? 05:34, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

the is yes and no. quantum was us name for early(2nd passat saloon. fox was the us name for an built vw similar to the jetta. see VW VW Fox. Passat article stuff on this, if it still doing when i have i’ll have a look. vw fox and should be added to akaDruid 24 Jun 2004 (UTC) also a google shows the tech to have been lifted Ralph Becker’s page his 2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS V6 akaDruid 13:36, 24 Jun 2004 Thanks the the reply and the information. The data shouldn’t be a copyvio copyright facts), but his customizations and experience (tires, tire wheels) I don’t think are ok to Thanks for finding that. edit the specifications. About the which qualify as the B1 and B2 passats? —ChrisRuvolo 14:00, 24 Jun 2004 Can’t be exactly sure but I the B1 would be 78-87 model, and B2 the model. Since the 73-78 was rebadged Audi 80, I doubt it follow the same numbering 14:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The B is as written on the page you are discussing. 73-81, mark2(B2) 81-88. The am I a bit usertain about, it says = B’x’ in the main article but it has not said so. I thaught 88-93 and passat used the same just with some changes. 14:02, 7 2007 (UTC)Tronni

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This user changed the entire article. look like a copyvio, but text should be integrated, not


The first generation VW Passat was initially as a large three- and hatchback (and later a estate) which used the 1.3 and 1.6 petrol engines as the Audi 80 which had been introduced a earlier. It was one of the most modern cars in Europe, and was intended as a rival for the Ford Taunus and Opel Ascona (Vauxhall The Passat was also sold in the as the Volkswagen Dasher.

VOLKSWAGEN MK2 (1981-1988)

The second generation VW was an all-new car but on its launch in 1981 it was recognisable as a member of the Volkswagen The engine range was now more it included a 2.0 petrol and a 1.8 diesel. As as the Passat hatchback and estate was also a saloon, which the beginning of 1985 was sold as the Although the Santana nameplate had abandoned, it remains in use to this day on produced at Volkswagen’s Shanghai in China.

The second generation was a typical Volkswagen, hardly but proving to be a quality alternative to its


The generation Passat was a completely new car and its looks were a world from the boxy appearance of its Its fuel injected engines all-new, and gave better and refinement than the carburettor previously used. But the star of the was the Passat VR6, which had a 2.8 V6 and a top speed of 140mph. This performance power unit found its way into the smaller and under the bonnet of the Corrado

The Passat underwent a mild in 1993 and was now available with safety equipment including but it remained the same basic as before.


The fourth generation Passat was new and aimed as a clearly upmarket for the Ford Mondeo and Opel Power came from new 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 and 2.8 petrol as well as 1.9 and 2.5 turbodiesels. All of the engines smooth, refined and strong and coupled to a good chassis gave excellent ride The interior was also luxurious and with a long equipment which included electric air-conditioning, CD player, electric electric sunroof and leather The £16,000 starting price in the UK put it above the equivlant Ford but the price difference showed it came to luxury and upmarket

A facelift at the end of 2000 saw the non-turbo 1.8 engine dropped and the exterior tweaked, but the Passat was still much the comfortable, well-built and large saloon and estate had been launched four earlier. Traditional Volkswagen of build quality and reliability to boost the Passat’s reputation.

The Passat is now one of the oldest cars in its at eight years old, but it is one of the best. A replacement is likely to in the not too distant future.

I have this into article keeping the Mark1, Mark2 as well as the B1,B2 one. 20:11, 29 October 2005

Passat generations are wrong? [ ]

The generations listed in the article are not at all. Passat owners their passats based the VW platform specification, such as B3, B4 or B5. See for [1]. The years are also My passat is from 1996, and has little in common with the models pictured. Perhaps the comes from the European versus the North American Any explanations? Thanks. —ChrisRuvolo 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I suspect foreign markets get their later than domestic I think the US is only getting Vs this model year, they have been out for the model year in most In such cases, it may be wiser to with the case of the domestic the same would apply for cars, e.g. the Chrysler and Ford Taurus were late getting out to Europe, so the US years should be the master IMO. Stombs 22:08, Jan 12, (UTC) 1998 is the year the B5 was introduced to the US. I’ll make a of it in the text. Seano1 23:41, 14 Jan (UTC) I’ve re-named the so that it agrees with B platform but also included the Mark1, Mark2 nomenclature, as by e.g. Volkwagen UK as i think easier for people not intimately with VW platform nomenclature to i think it’s best to by using both this and the systems. I hope it is now correct? 20:10, 29 October 2005

Personally I don’t see the point in the mark2 thing. I don’t know where you got it from and it not be in an encyclopedia. I have never the term used in the UK with to the Passat. The B1 to B6 nomenclature was defined by the and is understand by enthusiasts and should be the only names used. If are confused by it then the job of this is surely to explain it to them as it is.

The Mark nomenclature is common and be included. As i pointed out above, VW UK use 17:12, 31 October 2006

A common problem with car articles is that they to be written by geeks for geeks. nothing wrong with a lot about a subject (i’m a myself and not ashamed of it), but we allow a wide variety of to understand the article. The fact is the mainstream press, as well as car would call the 3rd generation the Mark III or Passat 3, and the man in the street understand. This obscure B stuff is something only an VW fan would understand. There’s a for both, that’s why both are Edits to wikpipedia should on making the articles more and easy to understand. See here for an of VW using the Mark system, no mention of the B number. Spute 31 October 2006 (UTC)

example of the Mark nomenclature time in car review website, here. Incidentally, the German article uses another — Typ 32, etc, presumably are the actual internal VW product Perhaps these shjould be as well, without removing any Spute 19:18, 1 November (UTC)

Why is discussion of the Mark 4 under the heading Mark 5 (B5 (1996-2005) ?

And the most recent redesign was in 2006 not 2005 I Historian932 (talk ) 18:55, 15 2008 (UTC)

new one [ edit ]

The A4 to a platform called B6 in 2002. this isn’t the one? the name alone, it appears the Passat is going to once share a platform with the A4.

If the A4 has a transverse engine and Haldex then that would be a give-away that the platform be shared again.

No. The B6 A4 and the B6 Passat be different platforms, and the A4 does not a transverse engine or Haldex as far as I know. TomTheHand 19:47, Mar 24, (UTC) OK, so the naming is bad. heard that VAG uses B6 to mean the 6th B-sized car, there is a longer name properly identifies the platform. The should switch to using the names. I agree with you but I don’t know the full names involved, so I can’t with that 🙂 The B5 Passat and B5 A4 the same platform. The A4 moved to the B6 in 2002, while the Passat a facelift for 2001.5 and was often to (by VW enthusiasts at least) as the B5.5. Now the A4 is on to the B7 platform (for the 2005.5 year) and the Passat is moving to a B6 platform from the one the A4 used. So TomTheHand 03:35, Apr 5, 2005

b3 production years [ edit ]

comments were added to the VW redirect by (t c ). Moved to here and cleaned up redirect. (t ) 18:55, 25 October 2005

Article does now state correctly. Spute 12:05, 23 2005 (UTC)

B2/B3 Engines [ edit ]

At some the 1.5 l Engine (38 kW/50 hp) was enlarged to 1.6 l 40 kW (54 hp). I think that was at or before the change from B1 to B2. was a turbo-charged version producing 51 kW (70 These versions were in Germany until the end of B2.

B3 was introduced the turbo-charged 1.6 l engine. Due to an added the output was 59 kW (80 hp). After a one year, that engine was by the new 1.9 l diesel. There was a non-turbo-charged producing 50 kW (68 hp) and a 66 kW (90 hp) turbo-charged engine.

I am not of a 1.8 l diesel engine available in the or any other Volkswagen.

I’m sure that the 1.9 turbo in the B3 had only 75bhp. It was the Umwelt and was detuned for low emissions. The power for the B4 though. The B4 had a 1.9 TD with mechanical injection and the 1.9 TDI both in 90bhp and forms and used electonic and direct injection. dieselnutjob

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I can track down an repair manual for a B1/B2 (Haynes); I am sure that it that one of the peculiarities for which Passats are renowned is that the engine can be removed on a dismountable which makes it easy for Rolinator 11:08, 21 February (UTC)

B3 and B4 link to web page [ ]

it’s an enthusiast site not a one.

it has quite a bit of info the B3 and B4 Passat on it which isn’t Personally I think that it a link, but then I would I

I don’t know what the protocol / etiquette is for adding a so I thought I would ask; is it dieselnutjob

Passat Mk 5 — Why is is in two? [ edit ]

The Mk 5 section is in two main headings, PQ46 (2005-present) and B6 platform (2006-present). Are you the car was modified for that year? NaBUru38 15:49, 22 November (UTC)

Indeed, that to have been entered when the subject headings got around yesterday. Analoguekid 22 November 2006 (UTC)

tag [ edit ]

I’m tagging article as not being Neutral of View. There are far too many such as: stylistically more and uncited sentences about the build quality. Please that as a VW owner, I know a amount about this and I’m not necessarily disputing the of said statements, I just that an encyclopedia article to be neutral in subjective topics as styling. As for quality concerns, have been mentioned times in various publications as Consumer Reports . Car Driver and the Everyone should hopefully an effort to say where they got information; something to the effect of: The Passat had problems with coil packs and then a newspaper article about the (just an example). Please see (if you already): Wikipedia:Citing sources. 18:15, 5 December 2006

Can’t we just get rid of the subjective and make it NPOV?


To some extent yes, there are unsourced claims the Passat is very reliable. It be, but CR hasen’t always given it marks. The problem is that the is fundamentally flawed the way its written It probably needs a complete that sticks to using sources.—Analogue Kid 15:19, 29 January (UTC) I don’t have data off hand, but in Europe it most of VW) is generally seen as The main differences were maintence sequences (75k mi belt) and a synthetic oil (there is no problem on 1.8Ts in Europe) from the get-go. Its not NPOV, but different statistics. I think all references to reliablity might be the way to go? 03:41, 14 February 2007 It’s true that VW is as being much more in Europe than North We could remove all references to but I would think it would be to add sources for specific claims than removing them I certainly don’t disagree many of the assertions, I’m trying to improve the article by citations where needed.—Analogue Kid 14 February 2007 (UTC)

B1 [ edit ]

I´ve removed the nonsensical Lamborghini Espada Besides, the Espada (introduced in when Giugiaro was already with his own company ITALDESIGN) was by Gandini (as stated in the Espada not by Giugiaro. Also, the B1 Passat was NOT than the Audi 80, at least not on its market; Werner Oswald, Autos 1945-1975, lists the of base models as of March VW Passat, DM 9.070; Audi 80, DM i.e. as identical. Plus, the variants were introduced as as January 1975.

—328cia 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we get any on the claim that every panel on the Mark 4 (B4 platform) was new? [ edit ]

Because I find any evidence to support it, and saw both versions parked by side and to me it just looks a facelift on the front and rear. unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs ) 00:43, 16 2008 (UTC)

I can hardly it myself, but Kittler, Deutsche seit 1990 . vol. 5, p. says: Nach Werksangabe so gut wie alle Blechteile neu — was man dem aber nicht unbedingt which translates to: According to the virtually all body panels new — even if, looking at the one won´t neccessarily realize it. (talk ) 03:50, 16 March (UTC)

TSI/TFSI [ edit ]

I see there is a 1.8 TSI engine (Fuel Injection and turbocharger). Also, a 2.0 TFSI engine (Fuel Injection and turbocharger). They are the same engine, except the engine displacement. Why did Volkswagen one of them TSI and the other TFSI? creates a lot of confusion, as TSI usually to the Golf’s 1.4 Twincharger. Why didn’t call both of them Thanks for any help. —Preceding comment added by ) 07:25, 11 August 2008

TSI and TFSI acronyms are interchangeable they mean the same like you said. The F stands for TFSI is generally used by while TSI is used by VW, Seat and Since there’s a sharing in VW Group, the same engine ( the 1.4 TSI Twincharger) can be found in different of different manufacturers. They may two different acronyms, but they are the engine.—Roccometeora (talk ) 13:14, 30 2012 (UTC)

Torque [ edit ]

The B5 section claims the B5 received a four-point front to eliminate torque steering. I would expect torque to be practically non-existent on a car with a engine. The primary cause of steering is the unequal length therefore weight) of the left and drive shafts on cars transverse engines, where the and differential are off-center. More the B5, like every other VAG at the time, received a multi-link simply because it improves quality and handling. DES (talk ) 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Why so dashers in iraq. [ edit ]

are everywhere in news photos why is Are these German or Brazilian? are early 1980’s body

Volkswagen Passat B1

Volkswagen do Brazil exported Mk1 Passats to Irak in the early — Alfacevedoa (Talk to me ) 06 may 2009 (UTC)

Engine not [ edit ]

I don’t see the BHW engine under the 5.5 Passat.

edit: and WHERE’S 2.0 tdi 110cv common I’ve one! Last it was made in 2009. —Preceding comment added by ) 00:30, 25 July 2010

B5.5 1.8T performance [ ]

This is a capable engine supports modding well and is faster than most on the road. —Preceding unsigned added by (talk ) 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Santana China [ edit ]

from user talk this is in everybody’s interest.)

You some referenced material in the VW article. While your was not untrue (the joint corporation wasn’t formed October 1984), production did in April 1983. Chinese of the Santana is referenced in Auto 1983 and 1984 (ich auch ein bissl Deutsch), in August of 1982 and 1983 AK ’84 even has a picture of a Santana, printed in August and the following text: Zwar im Reich der Mitte auch in den zehn bis zwanzig Jahren noch die Radfahrer dominieren; die ersten selbstmontierten Fahrzeuge prägung rollen bereits auf der Dabei handelt es sich um den VW LX mit 1.6 Liter-Motor und einer Leistung von 55 kW (75 Der erste Vertrag mit den Wolfsburgern die Montage von 100 Wagen. Die Teile liefert VW. (p.60) I will be to provide you with scans if like me to.

mit besten Grüssen aus ⊂Mr.choppers⊃ (talk ) 10:09, 30 2010 (UTC)

Some of the who started SVW are personally known to me. No to send me the Auto Katalog. In a the Katalog is right, but only in a What happened was a trial The seminal book is Posth’s Days in Shanghai. Posth was the of SVW until 1988. He doesn’t the Autokatalog, but he knows better. On 34, he writes: Prior to concluding the venture contract, the partners had to a two-year spell of trial (1982 — 1984) as a test of whether Germans and can find a compatible style of On page 18, he writes: Based on standards the critical production for cars is 1,000 units per Serial production starts to profitable and competitive on an international when you reach this The two Santanas a day which the Chinese had manually since 1982 in the of assembly trials in Anting put Volkswagen miles away this target. (Emphasis Mid-October 1985, the first line started production. 113) In September 1986 we the production of the 10,000th Santana in To achieve this total took two years after the was sealed. (Page 85.) VAG was not a to the contract, Volkswagenwerk AG was. their name changed to AG. V.A.G was the name of their channel. I was intimately involved V.A.G, from the beginning to its end. See VAG Rounded. Mit den besten to my former home — (talk ) 12:00, 30 June (UTC) Awesome! Thanks for the info — I will to purchase Posth’s book it sounds interesting. ⊂Mr.choppers⊃ ) 13:29, 30 June 2010 Also, the Volkswagen needs renewal. See talk Tschüss aus Peking. — (talk ) 14:11, 30 June (UTC) By the way, the German WP Santana is derived from the Santa Ana winds. Nobody us that when the car was launched. I saw it in 1980, as a prototype. I hummed a few of Oye Como Va and said: Ah, Santana! You to appeal to the younger target They didn’t get it and said: No, the opposite. — BsBsBs ) 17:25, 30 June 2010 Heh! I do like the candor of response though. Too bad that would violate WP:OR. (talk ) 04:14, 1 July (UTC) Well, there is a reliable source. Not for this but for a bunch of others. Forgot to this one up. — BsBsBs ) 07:17, 1 July 2010

Santana-izing [ edit ]

How about folks: We take all the Santana out and move it to Volkswagen Santana .


1.) Volkswagen Santana is there like an orphan

2.) At the Santana was never thought as a it was a Santana. Just like a is a Jetta, and no Golf.

3.) We aren’t the Audi 80 into the Passat, so why the

The article is bloated and anything to it up helps. Of course, there be the cross reference to the Santana.

If are no major voices against it, I even volunteer. — (talk ) 17:47, 2 July (UTC)

Yes, I was actually about doing exactly earlier today. Maybe a short para about the in this article, with a Letdorf (talk ) 23:02, 2 2010 (UTC). Please do it. The of whether the Santanta is viewed as a notchback or as a stand-alone model is down to the marketing department. And may well have handled differently in different markets. get the same with the Vauxhall / Opel Kadett notchback in the 1980s: separate model in but low volume niche complementary in mainland Europe.) My general is that the more you try and push or otherwise) different models in cases such as this of doubt, the harder the overall becomes to sequence coherently and the the risk of indigestion for the reader. So if you the time to do it carefully, please out the Volkswagen Santana here. And you. Regards Charles01 ) 07:51, 3 July 2010

When the car was launched in Germany (I was it definitely was launched as a totally model. — BsBsBs ) 12:46, 3 July 2010

Same in England. But I don’t how (or if) the Santana was marketed in USA, Brazil or Iraq. I know sold a lot of Santanas in China, but I do not if in China the Santana was sold as a of Passat or as a separate model. It be interesting to learn more how the Santana was presented in those from contributors based in countries. (A more appropriate than the Opel I mentioned would have been the VW notchbach / VW Derby which entirely decided whether it was a model or not. Or if it did, I remained confused.) This not, please, distract my support for your proposal to the Santana a separate wiki-entry in wikipedia. Regards Charles01 ) 13:04, 3 July 2010

The Santana was sold in China as the It still is. The Passat is also different car. I am based in and I have a grade A source: A written by the first German CEO of the venture. — BsBsBs ) 17:02, 3 July 2010

Full support for splitting of It’s grown into a separate branch on the VW family anyhow. ⊂Mr.choppers⊃ (talk ) 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: / Derby. I did all Volkswagen introductory since the Passat into the 80s, and was responsible for the catalogs. For VW HQ. The was introduced as a separate model. was no Polo Derby (too it would have had a nice to it.) I think a lot of this writing comes from showing off their knowledge of who what. In a time where are based on platforms, or kits in the VW such a discussion is moot and nothing but confusion. Nothing mentioning platform and pedigree. But a needs its own article, just a Jetta or New Beetle have own articles and are not bunched-in with the There is more intermarriage cars and brands of the VW empire between Appalachian families. BsBsBs (talk ) 18:54, 3 2010 (UTC)

The was no Polo But at some stage in the 1980s had been the Volkswagen Derby up rebranded as the Volkswagen Polo This may, however, be a UK issue rather than an one, since I don’t that in Germany the sales up so well for the Derby/Polo Classic as for the hatchback. (Same sales in UK, but maybe it was a sharper difference in I think the name change did in Germany too, but VW name/model in the UK sometimes happened at different (usually later) and with fanfare than in Germany, where there was a backlog of the year’s right-hand drive to shift and UK was closer than The German situation seems to be by German wikipedia thus: 1984 nur noch 5.044 verkauft wurden, wurde die 1985, genauso wie der Stufenheckableger des Passat, mit dem Namen des Basismodells Der Derby wurde somit in umbenannt. [usw]. German may not be always right in every but it is the best information I have to and here it roughly aligns what I remember about the VW I am sorry if I originally misphrased my but this, in any case, is what I was about when I wrote it. may represent a further set of complications on the theme, but I don’t understand Laut Wiki-DE In Mexiko der Polo Classic, basierend auf dem VW 6N, weiterhin unter diesem [dH Derby?] verkauft. I am sorry to supported this digresson off. I really do not think it is important! And I will resist the further to digress, this towards incest in the mountains of Your point about between individual VW and Audi is well made and well So. reply if you wish but I don’t you to and you don’t need to for my sake. But do split out that Santana into the Santana entry! Charles01 (talk ) 07:07, 4 2010 (UTC)

I looked at the WP. Two observations: The de:VW Polo is short and sweet. But in typical anal retentiveness, every generation has received its own article, and the Polo works as a Polo to de:VW Polo I through Polo V. That keeps it For the Passat, they do it according to from de:VW Passat B1 all the way to Passat B6. The de:VW Derby only one article, but that one all symptoms of serious appalachification. I in pertinent part: It was left to the Polo III (6N) to receive a version, the now four-door Polo However, this was an optically Seat Cordoba, which, in was the sedan version of the Seat It shared a common technical with the Polo 6N, for instance the dashboard. It didn’t turn a great success either. Volkswagen launched another model on the basis of Polo IV This was a Brazilian import. It remained without success, it from the German market the facelift of the Polo 9N in May 2005. the notchback variant is still produced and sold. Almost 370 000 were made under the name until the beginning of In Mexico, the Polo Classic, on the VW Polo 6N, continues to be sold that name.

If a derivative doesn’t sell, it back under the umbrella of the model is a good move, it saves marketing expenses and in quietly putting the patient out of its

Trying to apply logic to the logical and disciplined naming and regimen of Volkswagen will succeed. Witness the dueling and sports schools of naming (which tricked some believing that the Golf was after the Gulf stream, mind that it’s an current, and no wind.) I stopped ago from trying to make any of it. — BsBsBs (talk ) 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I’ve merged the Santana into Volkswagen Santana and various redirects and links I’ve included the Corsar and too as, AIUI, these were Santanas rebadged and assembled for local markets. By the way, do you of any published sources for Golf being named after the Scottish game? Letdorf ) 13:23, 5 July 2010 Thank you! I’m on some sources for both and Santana. I’ll add them I have them organized. Re: VW never commented about the name came from. At the there was a winds faction. and a faction. However, they never publicly admit a sport for the few (at least in Germany) its name to the new Volkswagen. We made coy references to Golf in the launch We put a Golf on a spot of green a small flag next to it, and it Der neue Volkssport: Golf new popular sport: Golf). don’t have it anymore. The GTI had a ball as a shifter knob. BsBsBs (talk ) 14:54, 5 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation [ ]

Please put pronunciation key for Passat in the of section. I found out that in it may be Passat or Passá, omiting the t at the end. —Preceding unsigned added by (talk ) 14 September 2010 (UTC)

don’t prescribe a pronunciation in the unless you have supporting sources. Letdorf (talk ) 15 September 2010 (UTC).

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Just wanted to say I fully support Letdorf’s of the unofficial and unclear mark ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ (talk ) 14:59, 26 2010 (UTC)

Most would be using generations, B are not familiar to those people who know Volkswagen — T ·C 16:02, 26 October 2010 Normally, I’d agree, but in case, generations are ambiguous e.g. was the B4 the fourth generation or a third-generation Passat? Which was the B5.5? etc. Letdorf ) 11:20, 27 October 2010 The B4 is facelift of 3rd generation (B3) to the article and 5.5 is facelift of 4th generation according to the text. — T ·C 15:47, 27 October 2010 That’s what it says at the yes, but there are no sources to verify this particular of Passat generations. Letdorf ) 11:22, 28 October 2010

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